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Create a Classic 2019 - Abandoned Cathedral by Osvaldo

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Ceamonks890 5 6 6 5
dinne 6 3 6 5
DJ Full 6 6 6 5
Drakan 7 7 7 7
eRIC 6 6 6 6
Jay 6 6 7 7
JesseG 6 6 5 5
Jose 6 7 8 7
manarch2 5 5 5 5
MarlenaCrystal 6 4 6 5
MichaelP 7 6 5 5
Mman 6 6 5 4
Mulf 4 4 3 4
nerdfury 6 7 7 5
Orbit Dream 4 7 5 5
Phil 7 7 7 8
Raider99 5 7 6 6
Ryan 6 5 6 6
StudBuddha 4 3 4 4
TombExplorer 4 4 4 4
Torry 6 7 6 6
Zuxuna 6 5 5 5
release date: 05-Nov-2019
# of downloads: 102

average rating: 5.53
review count: 23
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file size: 27.00 MB
file type: TR4
class: City

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"As has been pointed out in Michael's review,this 60/70 minute level exists solely for the showcase of three tight timed challenges. I enjoyed the first two (and had to spend some time working out how to undertake them);but the third,in an underwater labyrinth,was just too unlikeable. It was the kind of challenge where the player thinks to themselves "Really? OK - some other time,then". In my case,'some other time' was a couple of days later;and it has to be said that the intervening 48 hours have dulled my memory of whatever else happened in the earlier part of the adventure. Not that that implies old age on my part; simply that the remainder of the game was mundane and ordinary,and hence easy to forget. The greatest strength was the use of enemies,which were well placed.The greatest weakness was a complete disassociation with the environment - this simply didn't bear any resemblance to a Cathedral,nor a location anywhere in the world. A brief introduction,featuring a ninja running across a rooftop somewhere, promised some sort of storyline in the offing - but it was completely irrelevant,and went nowhere. The texturing was unexciting,and the lighting bland. The sort of atmosphere you would expect from an abandoned Cathedral never once materialised; and the adventure just sort of fizzled out,with a dull shuffle through ventilation ducts. For those prepared to embrace three tricky timed sequences,this is worth recommending. Regretfully,there is little to appeal to anyone else." - Orbit Dream (15-Oct-2021)
"Reading some of the reviwews, I find it intriguing that they do not even mention what makes this otherwise fairly basic and at times tedious level worth a look. In between a fast paced, albeit with too much backtrtacking, run around a cathedral or library setting, the builder has embedded three timed sequence that are actually quite creative in their design and for at least two of the three I would doubt any player made them on first try. They are not particluarly tight, but they require a bit of planning and understanding and that is exactly how a good timed sequence needs to be built. Unfortunately, everything else is rather middle of the road, not much effort invested in textures and lights to improve atmosphere and too many buttons, levers, switches and ninjas and only a few, rather harmless traps scattered throughout. The three secrets are nice, especially the first, which is anothere timed activity. So, all in all, an hour long level that may be worth your while if you arte interested in well planned timed sequences." - MichaelP (04-Jun-2021)
"First of the Create a Classic 2019 competition that I actually played, I found this level to be a very bad introduction to the whole pack of levels.
If I have to be honest, the whole level was a new definition of "tedious" on the gameplay: constant backtracking, enemies glitching (I managed to get a mercenary to walk and run underwater!), levers and switches abuse.
Not even graphically this level manages to shine: wallpapered or not-fitting textures(organ pipes textures used as walls?), flat lighting, boxy rooms. To make everything worse, the atmosphere is also even more broken by the fact that there is no story, and enemies in this level are completely not fitting the environment(TR4 Egypt masked mercenaries in a cathedral?).

In short, I would like to find something positive to say about this game, but I'm afraid I can't. Adding a story and fitting enemies/textures/objects to the environment could have really helped this game become way better than it is, taking out of consideration the gameplay.
But on the actual state of the level, taking into consideration all the categories, this level does nothing correctly in my opinion. Everything could have been done much better, and I hope next levels by the author will be more interesting!

Recommended? No.

Difficulty? Medium, but for the wrong reasons.

Duration? Approx. 45m-80m" - TombExplorer (18-May-2021)
"On the basis solely of this level, Osvaldo looks like the foremost representative of strict functionalism in level design: with a different set of textures and different-looking switches, he might have released this level as Machu Picchu, 1996 or Kinshasa Market at Night or Valley of a Thousand Perfumes, with no alterations whatsoever to the map itself (maybe he has; I can’t claim familiarity with his voluminous œuvre). Such passing resemblance as this level has to its ostensible source of inspiration (“All Hallows”) is limited to the fact that Lara enters the game space from above and lands on a suspended platform; everything else is generic push-switch-to-open-door gameplay in an environment that is identifiable as a ‘cathedral’ only by virtue of the texture set that the builder happened to choose and the elements of which he applied in an almost entirely random manner (organ pipes all over the place, flames come from ornamental wooden wall panels, etc.). It therefore necessarily fails to create any particular kind of atmosphere and remains a mere assemblage of rooms with abstract tasks and random enemies.
It could be argued that the builder took the premise of the competition as a pretext to deliver something that is not an immediate imitation of anything, but something entirely his own—in this respect (if in no other) akin to AgentXP and her approach in Vacation of the Tomb Raider. The problem with this defence strategy is, of course, that Osvaldo’s functionalist approach can produce only results that are inherently interchangeable and therefore lacking any deeper interest; the game is always obviously a video game taking place in a video game world. As such, it is not altogether bad; while half of it is padding (rooms too large, corridors too long, required but unhinted-at backtracking), it could be boiled down to a good 30-minute level in which that tall platforming room served as an actual hub leading to the more interesting tasks which are now widely dispersed throughout the map (but clustered in the second half; the first half is much weaker). As it is, however, it’s difficult to sustain interest here, because this video game world is an inhospitable place that gives you no reason to stay in it any longer than is strictly necessary. It’s the equivalent of a party where you pretend to look at your watch and go, ‘Gosh, is that the time?’ as soon as civility allows." - Mulf (06-Mar-2021)
"(6) Gameplay & Puzzles: This adventure is repetitive and dull at times, with plenty of lever-pulling back and forth, where I felt like I was on auto-pilot and just "going through the motions". However, there were some rooms that I enjoyed: the tall library room with the church cross, and the associated platforming; the tall room with the timed trapdoors; and the Osvaldo-trademark corkscrew trap room. It wasn't an unpleasant level to complete; it just wasn't very memorable. (7) Enemies, Objects & Secrets: The TR4 stock ninja baddies could have been made believable with a story, but the demigod is just too far-fetched. The ending was rather anticlimactic given the ammo available across the level, and a tough final boss would have worked well here. As with all Osvaldo levels I have played, I enjoyed the trap selection, however decorative objects are lacking. There were oftentimes bland, empty rooms that could have been spiced up with decor. I found 3/3 secrets and enjoyed them, particularly the timed run for the shotgun. (7) Atmosphere, Sound & Cameras: The architecture was very boxy, which is generally OK in a man-made environment, but it would have been nice to see some more varied/organic geometry here and there (perhaps an area showing that part of the cathedral had collapsed?). The atmosphere in the brief area outdoors was poorly done and the builder can do much better than that. TR3 music cues were used very well, and there were adequate camera hints. It wouldn't hurt to include a flyby(s) to immerse the player, though. (5) Lighting & Textures: I felt like this category was lower in quality than what the builder generally produces. Wallpapering and warped textures were commonplace, and I felt like the bright-red ceiling texture was overused and unattractive. Lighting was very inconsistent, with many areas seemingly having no lighting at all. Overall, although I have generally enjoyed Osvaldo's levels, I didn't find this one special at all. His other level set in London, Temple of Lud, has much more interesting and substantial gameplay. 6/7/7/5." - nerdfury (16-Jan-2021)
"Here we have a cathedral full of trapdoors, switches, and Egyptian enemies. The first area is extremely wallpapered, but don't be put off too much by it, as the environment does get a a bit better soon. Unfortunately a bulk of the gameplay is back-and-forth switch pulling, but it is peppered with a few interesting moments, my favorite being the multi-layered timed run with trapdoors. The rooms were mostly big and empty; I would find more immersion if the rooms had more of a sense of purpose (and overall smaller in scale). Overall an eclectic London-esque raid that needs more attention to detail before I feel invested in its world. 53 minutes." - JesseG (15-Mar-2020)
"Osvaldo was always a classic levels builder, so this "CaC" sure that was good for him. As usual, a lot of switches to pull, again the tedious backtracking and no special puzzles to solve except the timed sequences. And if you want extra weapons you already know: look for the secrets. The rooms are not very ornated, and the flat texturization is present in many rooms. Well balanced enemies, secrets not hard to find, well placed cameras and a solid design were the best of this really classic level. Enjoyable but not very entertaining." - Jose (15-Jan-2020)
"Here we have an Abandoned Cathedral and it is no wonder as all the monks left because they simply could not find their way about with all the switches and levers they had to remember, to access all the hidden corridors. Seriously though, this did become tiresome coupled with the monotonous back tracking involved. Some areas you negotiated three or four times and it is just not necessary. Then we have the serious back track for a secret and if I had realized it was only for a secret I would not have been bothered. The underwater maze coupled with the timed swim was a chore as well, as initially I had no clue where that newly opened door even was. Trial and error on that one. Then we have the TR4 opponents in a TR3 setting which just felt odd. What are Ninjas and a Demigod doing in this Cathedral? The level was loosely based on All Hallows but with a much more complex layout. Textures tended to be all the same but well rendered and lighting was good. Simplify the layout a trifle and reduce the number of switches and this could have been a fine raid." - Torry (31-Dec-2019)
"Classic doesn't necessarily mean generic, and this one didn't notice it. However you cannot get stuck and it won't break so I'll recommend it between two longer and more demanding ones." - DJ Full (07-Dec-2019)
"This is an obvious homage to All Hallows, although it varies after the quite familiar starting progression. The architecture and object use is okay, but there are some quite blank rooms, and the weakest part is the lighting; most things are flatly lit and lacking colour, which is unfortunate as some of the areas could actually look quite atmospheric if this area was improved, it also makes everything look quite similar despite the varied texture use. The gameplay is fine even if there's not anything especially notable; there's some nice platforming tasks, along with some occasional puzzles and traps. There were one or two things that seemed pure trial and error to solve though. It's relatively linear and it could have maybe linked into the central Cathedral room more to give a greater sense of place, as you don't actually do that much there. It's fine but doesn't have anything notable." - Mman (03-Dec-2019)
"If not for the omnipresent backtracking you have to endure throughout this 30 minute level, this could've been one of Osvaldo's better levels at least gameplaywise, as there are a few more fun tasks in here like the quadruple timed run sequence or the sequence with the ceiling blades. But there is simply too much running and climbing around, especially at the end the level outstays its welcome. I will not speak much about those enemies that simply do not fit well in this kind of environment (although somewhat more apt than in other levels of the builder). The looks are okay, quite wallpapered at times and the lighting is sometimes flat and sometimes a bit better. However, everything feels quite unrelated to each other and rooms seem to be designed without special thought about their function. The three secrets are at least well hidden, and a few fitting objects have been used to design the otherwise empty areas. Overall, playable but not very exciting." - manarch2 (01-Dec-2019)
"I do not know why, all levels of osvaldo ends with a black screen. Not important! This level is rather complicated, with the textures very charged it is difficult to distinguish the objects, especially the books switches in the library. I liked the timerun with 2 buttons and trapdoors. I did not find the gun while I had ammunitions, certainly the secret that I missed.To do." - Drakan (28-Nov-2019)
"Others may have written off Osvaldo as a builder with no upward mobility or apparent drive to improve, but I consistently find his levels to be well constructed and fun to play. This one has more than its share of backtracking, but for the most part everything unfolds in logical fashion and you get close to an hour's worth of gameplay for a relatively modest download. The cathedral in question looks more like a library to me, but no matter. As for being abandoned, ninjas and assassins pop out with such regularity that one has to wonder whether a new building permit has been issued. There are numerous swimming opportunities as well, with a wealth of levers and switches to pull. Lighting is just fine, with only rare occasions to light a flare. Not an award winner by any means, but a pleasant and enjoyable raid." - Phil (19-Nov-2019)
"Linear, lively and undemanding raiding in typical Osvaldo style. The All Hallows setting doesn't quite possess the charm of the original, but it is at least constructed well enough and the gameplay has been given more than a passing thought. The repetitive treks through long corridors were a bit too tedious for their own good and the ninjas and demigod were both incongruous in this sort of setting and more of an annoyance than a challenge, but the timed trapdoor sequence was enjoyable, although there were a few too many levers to pull throughout the course of the level. Fun enough, but not particularly memorable." - Ryan (18-Nov-2019)
"The gameplay consists of some platforming, backtracking and a few timeruns and I think at least one of these timeruns was a bit nasty and you had to know the exact way to make it barely in time. There was one room I really liked, the one with the tower(?) in the middle and all the bookshelves on the walls. There was a lot to do with trapdoors and hidden walldoors and also some jumping sequences. Even if the author used a lot of classic assets, they didn't fit into the environment, unfortunately. There were TR4 ninjas in a TR3 style cathedral, which looked a bit strange to me, especially cause there was no real story to it. If the level would have had a story, then the ninjas could have been there for purpose. The main atmosphere, as well as the lighting and texture work was solid, but nothing special or interesting unfortunately. There were a lot of areas that looked wallpapered. I think the author could do so much better, if he would take more time for a release. It took me about 50 minutes to finish it and I found 2 of the 3 secrets." - MarlenaCrystal (17-Nov-2019)
"Nice to see the All Hallows textures again. Osvaldo has provided some lively raiding with this one – plenty of traps and exploring up and down the towering heights of the cathedral. There’s a timed raising platform/button combination that really will seem impossible if you don’t get the order correct and some rather maze-like underwater areas, but it’s mainly straightforward as regards knowing what to do next. I have to say though, I’m not too sure what the ninjas were doing in All Hallows, let alone a random demigod who seemed to have wandered in from a whole other universe. Good fun though." - Jay (12-Nov-2019)
"Another perfectly average release from Osvaldo based off All Hallows from TR3, that doesn't do anything particularly wrong in a given area nor does it manage to accomplish anything noticeably well. So unless you're a fan of the builder's style, I'd personally recommend to just skip this." - Ceamonks890 (11-Nov-2019)
"Osvaldo does not bother much with storylines and atmospherically wise we feel it, this level is just another series of gameplay elements rid of any dimension of exploration or mystery. So for people who play TR for gameplay only it can be satisfying. Rather simple progression often straightforward with some reentrances, the highlights of this level were the timed tasks which were fun , the one with a door and trapdoors was the most elaborate , another one when swimming , my favourite being the timed door to get the secret shotgun where you need to go down quickly in a high room which has the best gameplay bits in the form of platforming. Aside from these few rooms, the level isn't very exciting to go through. We still have the 2 types of ninjas for enemies along with a few dogs, an abrupt ending , simple architecture texturing and lighting but decently made." - eRIC (11-Nov-2019)
"Gameplay & Puzzles - I wished the first part of this level was deleted. Gameplay is comprised of mazes that felt like a chore, lots of switches and timed events. Some of the puzzles I liked for instance the timed run with the trapdoor and door in the end. That give me a good rush. But other puzzles did not pan out well to give me a classic feel. Many elements feel like they didn't belong. Underwater section felt unnecessary. This level felt more like a checklist of the competition's requirements. Enemies, Objects & Secrets - The enemies that were chosen in this level was not wise. We have enemies that are unfitting like the Ninjas and TR4 Egypt guys (which I ignored). Why is this in here? Why not choose the SAS from All Hallows? And there should have been more dogs to replace some of the enemies instead of waiting until the end. Objects were not placed well either. All Hallows has some neat objects and most were not used here and if they were used, they were used incorrectly. I only found one secret here that was good but I honestly do not want to grind through this again. I never found the shotgun and I didn't feel like it was necessary at all. Atmosphere, Sound & Cameras - Atmosphere is weak but the second part reminded me more of All Hallows rather than the first part. Many unnecessary corridors. After I pull a level it's like...what did I just pull? And do I even feel like looking all around for it because some are not hinted. Sounds were okay but nothing memorable. Lighting & Textures - I do expect better from someone with 22 levels to have spent more time on lighting and texturing. I don't believe you have an excuse even with the short amount of time for this competition. Everything is wallpapered, texturing chooses are quite random. We get one effort of lighting in the beginning and then pretty much nothing after that. But overall everything is very visible with nothing being too dark. Even though this was part of competition. I think the author should have considered a different location or studying the All Hallows and maybe the other city levels more. I don't enjoy being harsh to builders. There is effort and thought put into this level. But this feels rushed and random most times. If you plan on a part two to this level, please consider spending more time on your project and consider the player. 55 mintues/1 secret." - StudBuddha (09-Nov-2019)
"Another work of Osvaldo's that left me hanging with potential . This is a mediocre level but I enjoyed playing it . Rooms at times are not cohesive with other parts of the level, textures and lighting are basic with no special effort shown . The level grands a lot of ammunition, therefore I had the impression I'd be battling alot of enemies or a big challenging one near the end . Imagine my disappointment when none of the above were the case . There were a couple of timed puzzles and a lot of lever pulling . Sometimes the camera hints would not be clear enough . Generally , an okay attempt that could have been much better given the right amount of time and effort ." - Zuxuna (07-Nov-2019)
"All Hallows type settings are uncommon in custom levels, and have great potential to be engaging locations. Osvaldo’s level uses the All Hallow’s textures, but the resemblance to a cathedral ends there. I want to frame my review as critical suggestions for Osvaldo to improve future levels. Since Osvaldo is a prolific builder, I have no doubt of this builder’s capability to create a level far more engaging than this one. I have three ideas: vary the gameplay, avoid tedium, and look to real places for inspiration. 1. Vary the gameplay. Quite a bit of this level consists of running down long, similarly textured and blandly lit corridors in search of a switch to open a door. Switch pulling is central to Tomb Raider, but it is far from the only form of puzzle. Traversal, pattern recognition, changing environments like flooding or using flip-effects to alter terrain, and many other kinds of puzzle solving exist out there. Reduce the number of switches-to-doors and increase the variety of environments. 2. Avoid predictable tedium. On the Tomb Raider Forums, there is a thread called “Tomb Raider custom games feature request - What I like/hate/miss.” Some top responses to the question of what level players hate include tricky timed sequences, underwater mazes, long push-block puzzles, and traps without any indication of their presence. Unfortunately, all of the above are present in this level (there is an underwater maze *with* a timed door! Blade and fire traps that emerge from surfaces with no hint that they are there!). I strongly recommend Osvaldo explore this thread and read the responses in detail to get inspired about the types of gameplay to include *and* to avoid in future projects. 3. Look to real-life for inspiration. As I wrote above, the resemblance to a real cathedral ends at the texture choice. While there is one room that appears to be a crypt, there is nothing like the apse, nave, aisle, or towers that would be found in a real cathedral. This makes navigating the space confusing. The original All Hallows was fun in part because of its recognizability as a cathedral space. For most of this level though, I was not sure what kind of room I was supposed to be in. Fiery chasms and underwater mazes are not usually features of cathedrals, and nor are spike pits and rolling balls. The choice of objects and enemies did not help: the Egyptian ninjas and Tutankhamun demigod simply serve to confuse the setting further. The lack of understanding the original use of the textures also makes for odd decoration: the texture for organ pipes appears wallpapered throughout the level where no organ should really be. To avoid these problems, I recommend looking at real places for inspiration in the future. Look at the way real architecture works, whether it is a cathedral or an Egyptian tomb or a jungle temple, and use that to inspire what you build and which objects and textures you choose to help give your level atmosphere. I hope that these comments reach the attention of the author, and are seen as constructive criticism for someone who obviously loves to build Tomb Raider levels. I believe there is potential here, but it needs work to achieve. 1 hour 10 minutes to complete, found 2/3 secrets." - Cbl (07-Nov-2019)
"I generally prefer casual levels, but this one turned out to be maybe too casual. It was filled with many, many switches, long halls, more switches and only a few puzzles. Also, why is there no English version of the script? It wasn't hard to navigate as I'm familiar with the game so I know where everything is, but for other players that don't play custom levels, this would probably be a much bigger issue. The gameplay was pretty linear, you reach a switch, you pull it, open the door, go there, do some platforming and then repeat. It does have some timed runs, traps, some even in random places, like fire coming out of walls with no indication from where exactly, perhaps an object, another texture would be better there? There was one room with (I assume, tried looking at the surrounding) with no hints on which switch to pull and avoid being set on fire so you have to do it trial&error way which is quite uninspired. Another uninspired choice was an underwater maze (which itself is a torture) but combined with timed swim! Mazes, even underwater ones, aren't so bad if you implement them properly with the rest of the environment instead of adding some random rooms to swim in and get lost. I found 2/3 secrets, I think I know where the last one was, but the door it opened was the same as the rest of the texturing I just wasn't motivated enough to return and look for it, some more variety would help in this case. Another little thing that bothered me is inconsistency. Where exactly is this cathedral and why does it have ninjas and an Egyptian demigod enemy? The level doesn't even have a story to explain why is Lara there in the first place. Other than that, enemies were properly implemented with no issues, missing sounds or broken AI. There were no more flyby sequences, or more music to add to the atmosphere, it felt the same through whole level making it quite bland. Texturing was fine, didn't notice any issues, obvious cracks, or squished/stretched textures, however, lighting was quite repetitive. Didn't like the rooftops section because it had flat walls to ceiling transition, those are quite immersion breaking, making it more 3D would make it look much better. This level is far from being bad, the builder knows how to handle many of the smaller issues (sounds, textures etc) which together are very important as they add to the immersion, however, the level was really weak in gameplay department, but I'm sure the builder will keep improving and delivering better and much more enjoyable adventures, and with a story please!" - Raider99 (06-Nov-2019)
"The game brings a classic feel, playing in an abandoned cathedral full of traps. The progression is pretty much linear but the areas are well equipped of levers and challenges. There are some lacks in "consistence": this game has elements that don't fit with the adventure (ninja bedouins in a cathedral?) and areas that realistically have not much sense. This level suffers of the famous "big empty areas" (huge halls and long corridors), that unfortunately downgrades a lot the atmosphere, alongside with a very poor attention for the lights. The level is overall enjoyable, playable with no problems, and the implementation of many areas make me understand that the builder has already tools and nice potential to improve with no big effort." - dinne (05-Nov-2019)